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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:33 am 
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...in the Autoslalom world?

Its a 1989 911 targa.

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Assuming no modifications IMHO as it's "Not Otherwise Classed" it is CS

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C Street class (CS)

BMW
M Coupe & M Roadster (1996-
2000)
M3 (E30) (1988-91)
Z3 (6-cyl, non-M) (1997-2002)
Chevrolet
Corvette (1963-82)
Chrysler & Plymouth
Prowler
Ferrari
308 & 328
Fiat
124 Spider (incl. Abarth) (2017)
Jaguar
XKE
Jensen
Jensen Healey
Lotus
7 & 7A
Eclat
Elan (RWD, all)
Elite (all)
Esprit (non-turbo)
Europa
Maserati
BiTurbo
Mazda
MX-5 Miata (non-MS-R 2007)
(2006-15)
MX-5 Miata (ND chassis) (2016-
17)
RX-7 Turbo (1987-91)
RX-8
Mercedes-Benz
SLK
Nissan
300ZX Turbo (1990-96)
350Z (non-NISMO) (2003-09)
Porsche
356 Carrera (4-cam)
911 (non-turbo, NOC)
911 Club Sport
914 (all)
928 (all)
944 (16v)
944 Turbo (all)
Boxster (986 chassis, all) (1997-
2004)
Carrera 2 & Carrera 4 (964)
(1989-94)


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:54 am 
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Thank you Stacy. The only modification I can see is a giant whale tail which I plan on removing.

Having never seen one of these at a Solo2 event, and assuming an average skill driver behind the wheel.......are they any good?

Or are they too old and slow to be competitive?

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Your in for an eye opener the first corner you dive into 8)

...It's the understeer that gets you in low speed autoslalom's ...not the high speed corner lift-throttle-oversteer that caused all the celebrities to wrap them around telephone poles in the 80's. But if I remember right your coming from an AWD car so maybe you'll have some practice with going straight when you want turn? :roll:

But, you can negate this disadvantage by driving harder into the corner. Huh you say? Well let me explain...


We are usually taught in performance driving schools to do all your braking straight line going into a corner while late apexing it, release the brake, turn in, and hopefully being 100% on the throttle at the apex depending on how much you can roll onto the throttle without understeering (fwd, awd) or oversteering (rwd). But in my rear engine 911's one can enter the corner braking much later than a regular car because the weight transfer allows all four wheels to take equal weight slowing you down faster, while also loading up the front end enough too grip the turn better while you continue braking into the corner (trailbraking). The added benefit of trailbraking is that you can induce some slip angles for a better turn in (I'm not talking Starsky and Hutch angles but a nice 10%ish drift) and then get on the throttle even earlier than some cars are able too, steering with your gas foot more than the steering wheel (which is probably good as you will be raising one front wheel off the ground) to rocket out of the corner. Immensely satisfying when you nail it right!

However...

Corners in autoslalom are not always connected by straights and you find yourself doing some weird lines (driving not coke) to make the car dance the way you want when one corner leads into another. So then you are over into the marbles, wagging that heavy butt all over when that lift throttle oversteer comes at the most in-opportune time, and can quickly get completely crossed up. Left right slaloms over and over down the parking lot too can get tricky too with all that weight transfer stuff going on ...But you've got four runs to figure out how to make that pendulum of weight sitting in your rear bumper go the way you want through a corner, and when you nail it you get that immense satisfaction that no VSC/ESP/ESC/DSC/DSTC/TCS controlled car can give (and why our old air-cooled 911's keep going up in value ...well that and the fact that those with disposable income at later stages in life are now buying cars they lusted after in their youth. Hmmm maybe time to start buying Skylines to sell to the generation Y bunch?)

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PS also lots of good info here: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche- ... ck-racing/ ...I'm A/SP911

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 5:25 pm 
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Stacy Chapman wrote:
Your in for an eye opener the first corner you dive into 8)


Extra so already :oops:

Lol....it had a sticky front caliper!

Even in my very short and limited drives so far it does very much so remind me in some way of an all wheel drive.

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Yeah they are so light in the front end that if the brakes are even slightly out you invent new swear words 8O

This '68 has cheap chinese tires that I affectionately refer too as the plastic tires ...and you drive very defensively with it:
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Lets see a pic of your new ride?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:41 pm 
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How do you post pictures on here now?

I use to use photobucket.

Or send me your email or cel number.

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I think Paul wanted to post these...
https://photos.app.goo.gl/00MjSjzoRFzEm0Tc2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/DSwdF5JhuHN7uamY2

Think those links should work. He visited during his test drive last weekend. Can confirm the car is running very strong. We were both surprised at how quick "only" 217hp/195tq felt.


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Paul,

If you want a setup on your car, give me a call. I did 3 911's this year, result was 3 happy customers. I do corner weights, ride heights, cambers and toes. Alignment shops have no way to set these cars up properly, they need to go on scales as all 4 corners have adjustable ride heights. Stacy may be able to help with setup as well, if he is closer. The back of these cars can be tricky to get right. Normal cost is around $4-500 for the work. I'm in Halifax area. 902-two-two-two-0015.

I started my performance car driving in a 1969 911 Targa, also did 2 AMP race schools in it. Was a fun little car.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Thanks Leigh. I'm going to have to do a road trip!

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Stacy Chapman wrote:
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Man that thing looks some nice!

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Yours is a beaut too!
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+1 for Leigh's setups, but a bit of a trip for you

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Not ideal but I need an alignment here and now local.

Any suggestions for some settings to try and aim for?

Looking for some "autoslalom" settings.

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Almost a waste of time going to an alignment shop - they are very tricky in the back to get camber and toe right, and you really need to consider ride height and corner weights - it's all adjustable. I posted my services awhile ago, see above, but I'm in Halifax....


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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2019 3:21 pm 
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Stacy Chapman wrote:
Your in for an eye opener the first corner you dive into 8) ...It's the understeer that gets you in low speed autoslalom's ...But, you can negate this disadvantage by driving harder into the corner.


Thank you Sir!

First event for me in years done with......4th place in raw and Pax times. .09 off of the 3rd place car and .38 off of 2nd place in raw. I know I can make that time up as I was fighting with severe front wheel lockup.

The car is way faster than I thought it would be! And its a real challenge to get to and keep it near its limits!

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Yep, many a flat spotted front hoosier on my car too :roll:

But you'll catch on to limits fairly quickly, just don't pay any attention to what those other normal (boring, computer controlled) cars do and drive yours

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Looks like that was a ton of fun for you, Paul. When was your last race?


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